"So you know." He traces a hand around to Ren's face, over a cheekbone. His eyes are just a bit too wide.

"Listen, I'm not going to pretend it was a good plan. It was a one in a million shot. You had us. I suppose...." He swallows. "It would have come down to just the two of us, wouldn't it? Like it did here. Maybe I could have talked you around. Maybe you would have listened."